Second squat in a given training session

I'd like to ask Boris Ivanovitch which is the main reason to do a second squat, typically after bench, during the same training session.

Is there some particular reason for doing this or is it just for to get the right volume to the training process?

When I am performing the second squat, it is typically less demanding for central nervous system, but much more hard for muscles themselves.

Moreover technique for some reason is more automatic than in the first exercise.

Thanks

When I am performing the second squat, it is typically less demanding for central nervous system, but much more hard for muscles themselves.

Moreover technique for some reason is more automatic than in the first exercise.

I agree with these two statements. I feel that by breaking the two up it prevents technique degrading but still strikes a balance with inducing fatigue cumulatively.

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When I am performing the second squat, it is typically less demanding for central nervous system, but much more hard for muscles themselves.

Moreover technique for some reason is more automatic than in the first exercise.

I agree with these two statements. I feel that by breaking the two up it prevents technique degrading but still strikes a balance with inducing fatigue cumulatively.

I always assumed the same too.

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When I am performing the second squat, it is typically less demanding for central nervous system, but much more hard for muscles themselves.

Moreover technique for some reason is more automatic than in the first exercise.

I agree with these two statements. I feel that by breaking the two up it prevents technique degrading but still strikes a balance with inducing fatigue cumulatively.

I always assumed the same too.

Thanks for your feedback friends

Pretty much the same here.

The second squat/nemchpress usually feels heavier for me, but in a muscular fatigue. Technique is always better at the second go as well.

It's hard when you train with gear.
Too long traning day. If you are not a PRO, it's hard to cope with too long workout.

It's hard when you train with gear.
Too long traning day. If you are not a PRO, it's hard to cope with too long workout.

I've had 4 hour equipped squat sessions. Very hard to cope. Your whole day gone

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It's hard when you train with gear.
Too long traning day. If you are not a PRO, it's hard to cope with too long workout.

I've had 4 hour equipped squat sessions. Very hard to cope. Your whole day gone

do you do all 3/4 squat sessions a week in equipment? at what point (%-wise) do you put the suit on?
thanks very much i am trying to get my head around how to implement equipment into this style of training.

Boris want you to squat every time in equipment, starting from 70 or 75 % of your max.


My experience: take in account that with modern gear doing a 70% 3 REPETITIONS raw is quite impossible, or you must have a MAXIMAL EFFORT, that could distroy all the Average intensity calculation.

Already a 60% 4 done raw is quite a good effort.

Boris want you to squat every time in equipment, starting from 70 or 75 % of your max.


My experience: take in account that with modern gear doing a 70% 3 REPETITIONS raw is quite impossible, or you must have a MAXIMAL EFFORT, that could distroy all the Average intensity calculation.

Already a 60% 4 done raw is quite a good effort.

Yes, these are good points that I've been thinking about. My raw 1RM is pretty much 70% of my equipped 1RM in the squat, 77.5% in the bench press and 85% in the deadlift. Following the general guidelines would be impossible without using different reference 1RM:s.

With Italian lifters, with real drug free athlets 60% came from (just a little statistic of mine) 75% to 80ish% of raw max.
So you'll be doing  80% 4 of actual stress. Doable.

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It's hard when you train with gear.
Too long traning day. If you are not a PRO, it's hard to cope with too long workout.

I've had 4 hour equipped squat sessions. Very hard to cope. Your whole day gone

do you do all 3/4 squat sessions a week in equipment? at what point (%-wise) do you put the suit on?
thanks very much i am trying to get my head around how to implement equipment into this style of training.

I do not use this system when I'm training in equipment, I'm sorry.  The percentages still make no sense to me.  I put my suit on at 75% of my equipped max which is very close to 100% of my raw max.  If I were to use those cycles I think I would have many fail/close to fail raw lifts and many effortless equipped lifts.  I think for me I get too much out of equipment, maybe the cycles were written before more modern suits and shirts. I have similar questions as you though, tryin to figure it out.

thanks for the responses! it makes more sense now.
to clarify, i'll just write out how i interpret a training might go:

SQUAT wave 1:
50%x5x1 - RAW
60%x4x1 - RAW, but probably a tough set
70%x3x1 - RAW if your equipped max isn't too much higher than raw max; definitely a hard set. Add equipment if you use tight equipment; a warm-up.
75%x3x2 - Equipped
80%x3x5 - Equipped

Secondary exercise ie bench

SQUAT wave 2:
50%x5x1 - RAW
60%x5x1 - RAW
70%x5x5 - Equipped (or raw if you can hold good form)

Would this be correct? If it is, sounds like a very long session!

thanks for the responses! it makes more sense now.
to clarify, i'll just write out how i interpret a training might go:

SQUAT wave 1:
50%x5x1 - RAW
60%x4x1 - RAW, but probably a tough set
70%x3x1 - RAW if your equipped max isn't too much higher than raw max; definitely a hard set. Add equipment if you use tight equipment; a warm-up.
75%x3x2 - Equipped
80%x3x5 - Equipped

Secondary exercise ie bench

SQUAT wave 2:
50%x5x1 - RAW
60%x5x1 - RAW
70%x5x5 - Equipped (or raw if you can hold good form)

Would this be correct? If it is, sounds like a very long session!

Hi!
Your main aim must remain a good form on all the lifts. If 60% is too hard, put on your knee wraps.
As for the length, yes, is long, but if you take care of your recovery time (about 3 minutes for each set for example) you should be able to finish the work-out, with also a couple of assistance exercise, in 2.5-3 hours.
This is my experience at least.
It is also very important that you manage the volume according with your work capacity and your entire plan.
For example you can do
50x5, 60x4, 70x3, 80x2x4

and

55x4, 65x4, 75x4x4

Your version is a bit harder I guess ))