Rest's between sets

we never talk of recovery time between sets ...

ok should always be complete given that we speak of strength programs but.. take the program # 37 under 80 kg and let me an example of your rest's..

same argument in the assistance exercises ... a 5x10 of flyes needed 1 or 2 minute?

ok depends on the weight, the level of the athlete, other factors ... but just to give a line to follow, for example, I'm an intermediate  and do a 5x5 75% minimum rest 2'30" and you?

I couldn't say how long I rest exactly but it's definitely less for the additional exercises.

Usually I have rest of a few minutes between the main exercises and short rest for the additional exercises. I don't really time it, I just go whenever I feel ready to do the set with the same form and intensity as the former.

but... we monitor each repetition, each series, each load day, each load week, month or year.. and nobody's monitors the rest's? is so insignificant? I don't think  :o

but... we monitor each repetition, each series, each load day, each load week, month or year.. and nobody's monitors the rest's? is so insignificant? I don't think  :o

I intend to make a lengthier thread about this as I have an interest in somewhat related questions.

A concept used in Mike Tuchscherer's Reactive Training Systems (RTS) is volume density; the practice of which includes setting a time cap on a particular excercise (15, 20, 25 mins, etc.). This is a means of controlling volume and the subsequent fatigue induced. When load drops are used a fatigue percentage is set to hit at which point the excercise is ceased. The problem with this is that if there were no time limit we could take, for example, 15 minute breaks between sets and accumulate huge amounts of volume across hours of training. This is not an realistic approach and there for we must have at least one constant variable (in this case time) to control volume.

It strikes me in Sheiko programs the volume is the constant instead of time. The result is the same, the amount of fatigue is controlled within limits, albeit by different means.

This is all speculation on my part trying to make sense of different methodologies. As mentioned previously I hope to make a thread specifically on this subject shortly. Not sure if my contribution is exactly what you are after but that's my take on what you are asking.

Quote from: Maurizio on July 06, 2014, 10:24:04 PM

but... we monitor each repetition, each series, each load day, each load week, month or year.. and nobody's monitors the rest's? is so insignificant? I don't think  :o

I intend to make a lengthier thread about this as I have an interest in somewhat related questions.

A concept used in Mike Tuchscherer's Reactive Training Systems (RTS) is volume density; the practice of which includes setting a time cap on a particular excercise (15, 20, 25 mins, etc.). This is a means of controlling volume and the subsequent fatigue induced. When load drops are used a fatigue percentage is set to hit at which point the excercise is ceased. The problem with this is that if there were no time limit we could take, for example, 15 minute breaks between sets and accumulate huge amounts of volume across hours of training. This is not an realistic approach and there for we must have at least one constant variable (in this case time) to control volume.

It strikes me in Sheiko programs the volume is the constant instead of time. The result is the same, the amount of fatigue is controlled within limits, albeit by different means.

This is all speculation on my part trying to make sense of different methodologies. As mentioned previously I hope to make a thread specifically on this subject shortly. Not sure if my contribution is exactly what you are after but that's my take on what you are asking.

I'm waiting for..  ;)

I suppose I just regulate by how I am feeling that day. While I have no particular sense of if I am resting 30 seconds or 5 minutes, I notice by how fast I complete the session rather.
Sometimes I feel stronger and more well-rested and the reps feel light as feathers, and sometimes heavy as mountains and I rest more accordingly to that.

I do not like setting prescribed rest-intervalls since I have only had bad experiences with it. Note though is that I do not rest ridicilously long however, usually I time it within 2-3 minutes pretty well when I have checked.

For assistance exercises I do try to count 1 minute to shorten down time.

I suppose I just regulate by how I am feeling that day. While I have no particular sense of if I am resting 30 seconds or 5 minutes, I notice by how fast I complete the session rather.
Sometimes I feel stronger and more well-rested and the reps feel light as feathers, and sometimes heavy as mountains and I rest more accordingly to that.

I do not like setting prescribed rest-intervalls since I have only had bad experiences with it. Note though is that I do not rest ridicilously long however, usually I time it within 2-3 minutes pretty well when I have checked.

For assistance exercises I do try to count 1 minute to shorten down time.

But sometimes the feelings do not correspond to reality or directing us to the desired goal ...for this reason I think that the recovery should be managed with precision

Some sort of general rule should be more or less:

For % below 85%:

sets of 1-3 reps --> ~ 2-3 minutes
sets of 4-5 reps --> ~ 4-5 minutes
sets of 6 or more --> ~ 5-8 minutes if needed

Also for intensity of 90% or more one should rest 5-8 minutes (I would say something that not far from competition rest).

My 2 cents.

Some sort of general rule should be more or less:

For % below 85%:

sets of 1-3 reps --> ~ 2-3 minutes
sets of 4-5 reps --> ~ 4-5 minutes
sets of 6 or more --> ~ 5-8 minutes if needed

Also for intensity of 90% or more one should rest 5-8 minutes (I would say something that not far from competition rest).

My 2 cents.

agree, but in my opinion there is not enough accuracy when we say 70% is 70% not 69% none 71%

because in rests is not it?

I agree with your example but ...4-5 reps at 80% are not like 4-5 reps at 65% even though both are below 85% ... you should also consider if you are warming up, loading, unloading ...

4-5 minutes in a 5x5 at 65% I can fall asleep with the same recovery in the same series and reps to 80% are at the limit ..

But sometimes the feelings do not correspond to reality or directing us to the desired goal ...for this reason I think that the recovery should be managed with precision

I suppose I am too low level still to understand the value of it. I recover pretty quickly still, but this might be something I will have to consider more properly within the future.

But as said, most of the time I hit 2-5min of rest. Previously, only last year, I did record the time perfectly on the mobile during lifting and only had bad experiences with forcing sets too quickly. Perhaps I should try increasing the rest intervals by the set, or would people still recommend keeping a strict time for that entire work set session? (For example 5x3x85% RM with 3 min strict rest throughout the sets?)

(For example 5x3x85% RM with 3 min strict rest throughout the sets?)

for me in this case minimum 3'30"- 4'